PTC, Whole Foods could have out-maneuvered Kroger

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Had the corporate suits at Kroger not righted themselves today, there was another solution to handling the "baby" Kroger leaving the Peachtree Crossing East shopping center.

Sure there would've been a Goodwill in its place. But have some vision people! Look at what COULD happen there.

The building behind McDonald's is home to quite a few small merchants ... but it's also a sizeable area.

If Mayor Harold Logsdon is right, and Whole Foods wants in PTC, that solves half the battle right there. Call in the Whole Foods folks and have them meet with the shopping center owner.

Figure out a way to relocate the smaller businesses and do a teardown of the area that used to have the Shadow's and Peking restaurants. And BLAMMO! Whole Foods can build itself a custom store.

It would have been a win-win-win.

Win #1: Smaller stores get foot traffic from Whole Foods, helping them thrive.
Win #2: Whole Foods gets a nice brand new store right off a major highway.
Win #3: Whole Foods is a success and Kroger takes a hit in sales.

None of this is to say that Whole Foods can't STILL come to PTC. Heck, maybe it can still come to Peachtree Crossings (wonder if Kroger's lease makes it an "exclusive" grocer at the shopping center).

Meanwhile, we owe an attaboy not just to all the citizens who called, e-mailed and otherwise pestered Kroger into doing the right thing. We also owe quite a bit of thanks to Mayor Harold Logsdon, who apparently was able to wield at least some influence despite lacking any city ordinances to prevent Kroger's closing and Goodwill's opening.

Guess we owe Kroger a begrudging thanks too for taking the business risk of keeping Baby Kroger open.

If the baby Kroger is losing money, Kroger folks need to figure out a way to make it work ... or find a more mainstream retailer (Old Navy?) to take its place.

And while we're waving magic wands, would somebody please bring back Great Shakes a few doors down from the Baby Kroger? Best wings (and bleu cheese dressing) I've ever had.

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Submitted by nanners108 on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 12:01pm.

I just don't understand why some people move to Peachtree City. You can live ANYWHERE you want! All Fayette county schools are great! If you want to live where you are close to Big Box stores, than move to Fayetteville! They're all right at your fingertips. Anything and everything you need and with cheaper taxes! You still get the top schools in the state. BUT..... If you don't want the traffic, the BIG BOX stores, scores of chain restaurants... live in Peachtree City. No better, no less, just a difference in ones wants and desires. People need to stop thinking that people in Peachtree City think they're better. They just want something different! If you don't like the way Peachtree City goes through great efforts to keep its city quaint, then DON'T MOVE TO PEACHTREE CITY! I know plenty of people who did not like Peachtree City so they moved. Guess what, they're happy now! I also know people who didn't like Fayetteveille so they moved to Peachtree City. You guessed it, they're happy now too. Did I make it clear enough for the thick brained to understand?

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Submitted by Indocumentado on Mon, 09/24/2007 - 2:54am.

Where is the Goodwill going to be anyway?
Me and the muchachos are tired of driving to Newnan to get our clothes and stuff and keep hoping we will get a Goodwill right here in PTC. You see, a lot of compadres are moving into this area, I have some 23 relatives getting ready to cross the border anytime soon relocating to beautiful Wynnmeade, Kedron Vllage (where I live now) an other PTC locations soon.

Submitted by suser on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 6:59am.

The investigation needs to start as to whether Whole Foods wants to come here at all. Last heard, they don't feel PTC is the area that they desire for their store.

Submitted by bowser on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 6:59am.

I've always thought a Sports Authority, or Dick's or whatever, would be a good fit in the Little Kroger spot. I sure would have bought a heck of a lot of stuff there over the years....

Submitted by winer on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 8:49pm.

Kroger maybe staying ... for a while. Don't look for this to be permanent. I believe we may have won the battle but the war's not over. Kroger does not want to stay, but they don't want another grocery in that space. Employees there don't hold out hope that they'll keep their jobs at that location. Kroger Corp only told them the sublease to Goodwill is not going to happen. Apparently they are looking for a tenant that the residents will find more acceptable. Goodwill was probably worst case scenerio for the nearby homeowners and the surrounding businesses. It is likely Glenloch village could be the first PTC village to have and then lose a grocery anchor. It will be an uphill battle for the other stores in Peachtree Crossings to stay in business if they lose the foot traffic a grocery anchor provides. Stand by for incoming!

Submitted by Jones on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 11:26pm.

I've got to agree with Winer that Kroger is just re-loading. My guess is that Goodwill did all of the backing out and not Kroger.

You know who makes out like a bandit in all of this is the shopping center owner!

Don't count on the mayor and council being of any help on this one. They have messed most everything up to this point.

Submitted by winer on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 7:20am.

Jones - could you explain how all of this Kroger mess will help the shopping center owner "make out like a bandit"? I'm failing to follow that line of thought. Peachtree Crossings is almost fully occupied today - just one spot where Hobby Shop moved to the East side behind MickyD. What could improve for him?

Submitted by intheknow on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 10:18pm.

"It is likely Glenloch village could be the first PTC village to have and then lose a grocery anchor"
Actually it would be the second, as Aberdeen Village lost thiers several years back when the A & T Market closed in Aberdeen Village Shopping Center, and that space became a health club. It had been the site of the city's first grocery store and anchor of that shopping center for many, many years.

Submitted by winer on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 7:14am.

I knew that, just discussed it with someone at Thursday night meeting at Gathering Place. We were standing there looking at all the old maps of the city. The photos from the era where P'tree Parkway ended at McIntosh Trail. This has been an exhausting week and the brain is not firing on all cylinders. Sorry for the misinfo.

Submitted by jensjags on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 10:24am.

When I first moved to PTC in '79 the grocery store at Aberdeen was called Hudson's. I also remember when Fun Factory came- it had ice cream and video games. Of course Partners is still Partners only much bigger. Big Star (now the "Little Kroger") was the BIG grocery store here back then. I don't call that store the "Little Kroger"... I always refer to it as "The Big Star Kroger". If anyone has any old photos from back then of PTC I would love to see them. My son always says that he wishes he could see what it used to look like. It would be pretty cool for me too Smiling!

Submitted by JJsMom on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 8:24am.

The 1st grocery in PTC was in Willowbend Center, in the complex where the formalwear store is. It was there in the 60s and early 70s, along with the post office and Pac-a Chic, located right in front of the post office. Can anyone remember the name? I was really young and remember going in there, but we had to drive to Big Star in Fayetteville for major groceries.

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Submitted by MrsLuetkemeyer on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 1:06pm.

Not sure if you were saying that Pac-a-Chic and the first grocery store in Willowbend were there at the same time (you may have just been using Pac-a-Chic as a landmark for Willowbend), but if so, you may be mistaken about the date of that grocery store. Reason being, the earliest Pac-a-Chic could've opened would've been 1977. How can I be so sure? It was my dad's restaurant, and we didn't move here until then. Smiling It's nice to see the restaurant mentioned--sometimes I feel like the whole town is full of strangers now. I can't say I've got much room to talk, though; I sold out and moved to Newnan.

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Submitted by All Smiles on Sat, 09/22/2007 - 10:11am.

I lived 2 doors down from you! I remember riding with you as we drove back and forth on your driveway. Then I remember the Marta bus as we sat in the back until the driver called us up to the front because we had ridden the entire route but failed to get off anywhere. I've seen your mom a few times and spoke to her telling her to tell you hello. Know who I am? USE INITALS!

Submitted by bladderq on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 9:41am.

McWilliams & the Gulf station @ Willowbend were here not 1st but here before there was a PTC and this became the most valuable swamp land north of Miami. Business Lic. # 1 went to Cheeks TV.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Fri, 09/14/2007 - 7:05pm.

K-mart is going out and will be replaced by Goodwill. At least that is logical. Munford is correct however - smaller spaces in any shopping center could be retrofitted for a Goodwill store or a Whole Foods.

Whole Foods has approched the city several times, but they always back off after they look at the shopping demographics. You do know that every time you pull out that Kroger or Publix discount card that a history of what you buy week after week in the grocercy store is available to anyone who cares enough to find it.

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Submitted by poipendicular on Fri, 09/14/2007 - 7:10pm.

How reliable is this?

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Fri, 09/14/2007 - 9:45pm.

Just says it "might" be logical. I don't see it myself. I've never seen a Goodwill in that much space anywhere. Plus, last time I checked, K-mart was open. Although, I've always thougth a Lowes would work well there.

Submitted by Jones on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 11:31pm.

The Goodwill stores that sell furniture too use big store spaces. There are a couple on the northside in old super markets.

K-Mart is going to hold on until the very end. I think the Kohl's is going to hurt a lot of our small local stores. They are throwing up stores all over the country and kicking the competition.

Submitted by PTC Dawg on Fri, 09/14/2007 - 6:45pm.

Someone told me the Kroger corporation has a line of food similar to Whole Foods. If this is true (is it?), why don't they turn baby Kroger into their specialty store? Perhaps they don't want a store, even their own, competing with Kedron Kroger.

Submitted by thecueman on Fri, 09/14/2007 - 6:36pm.

Let's try to enter some facts into this out manuever Kroger model. First and foremost the is NO such shopping center as Peachtree Crossings East. These are two different shopping centers, Peachtree Crossings (it has a Kroger in it) and Crossings East which had a biker oyster bar and a nail shop. Two centers and two owners.
Your idea is right on as far as leveling the part behind McDonalds. It would make a great Whole Foods although I have been partial to the idea of a Red Lobster for quite awhile. There is absolutely no leasing infringement as they are two seperate but almost attached at the hip shopping centers.
Don't ask the city, those idiots still think it's one center.

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Submitted by nuk on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 5:07am.

:Peachtree Crossings (it has a Kroger in it) and
:Crossings East which had a biker oyster bar
:and a nail shop.

"Had?" Did Big Daddy's very recently close? I have been there and didn't see bikers or bikes/motorcycles in the parking lot, but maybe I went at the "wrong" time.


Submitted by LostIslander on Mon, 09/24/2007 - 2:26am.

Yeah, what biker bar?

And if there is one, how is that a problem?

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Submitted by MajorMike on Fri, 09/14/2007 - 3:56pm.

"Meanwhile, we owe an attaboy not just to all the citizens who called, e-mailed and otherwise."

Yeah John, we probably do. But we also owe you and The Citizen a great big attaboy for staying on top of an issue that directly affects the residents of this community. Citizens feedback would not have happened if we had not known what was going down. Thanks (attaboy).

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Fri, 09/14/2007 - 1:25pm.

My Barber Shop is there. The Ga Shrimp Company is there, Big Daddy's too. The remodel on the Chinese Restaurant is nice also. Anyway you cut it, a Goodwill in that area hurts PTC in my opinion.

If I was Kroger, I whould take that store up scale, offer things the other two don't offer.

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Submitted by poipendicular on Fri, 09/14/2007 - 1:57pm.

I would love a better bakery dept. Somehow the baguettes at Kroger's and Publix don't match up to my expectations.

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Submitted by poipendicular on Fri, 09/14/2007 - 1:18pm.

'Baby Kroger' wouldn't be running at a loss if the Kedron location had not opened.

Submitted by LostIslander on Mon, 09/24/2007 - 2:24am.

More like 'Krappy Kroger' "... wouldn't be running at a loss . . .". That store needs to die and go away. What's with the moldy perishables? Cheese, juice, milk, on the shelves past date and if you look closely, you'll see the mold on the cheese. Hard to understand who likes this store, and why it continues to operate. THAT is why it's "running at a loss".

And why are used books more acceptable than used clothes? No one seems to be complaining about the used book shop.

Submitted by winer on Mon, 09/24/2007 - 8:12am.

Omega is not a "used book" shop. They carry up to date, hot off the presses new books. Until Harry's failed metro wide and Books A Million came in, Omega was all we had. They carried all the required books from the school lists and have always ordered anything you needed but not in stock. They do a great job of bringing in local authors and some from outside the area for book signings. There are many residents here who will always shop Omega first. Goodwill would have put her out of business, along with many of the stores in that shopping center. Omega is well loved by many for the "used" section but it's not just a used book shop.

My kids got a new book for every "A" on their report card - I've left a lot of money there over the years. Our city library wasn't nearly as big and a best seller would often turn up in the used section at Omega before your name could come up on the waiting list at the library. They have been an important store in our community for a very long time!

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Submitted by nuk on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 5:18am.

Because Publix would be at Kedron if Kroger wasn't. That area is too large to not have a full-sized grocery store.

The Kroger at PTC Crossing is like a self-serve convenience store in that you can get in and out quickly. Depending on the time of day, it can actually be easier to get in/out quickly because there aren't circling motorists waiting for a vacant gas pump.

BONUS: no one asks you if you have or want or care about a Flash Foods card and you get convenience store ease with the pricing of a grocery store.

BUMMER: Despite no Flash Foods loyalty card blah, you get it instead from the U-Scan machine.

Publix is a better grocery store with better employees than any of the Krogers, but sometimes the convenience is nice at baby Kroger.

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